How Six Minutes in Eternity Can Change Your Life Pt 2 | Guest: Philip Hasheider

Julia Marie continues her conversation with Wisconsin farmer Philip Hasheider about his Near Death Experience and the challenging aftermath.

The interview explores the aftermath and impact of the interviewee's near-death experience (NDE) in 1951. The interviewee, Philip Hashheider, discusses how the experience changed his perspective on life, death, and his purpose for returning to this dimension.  

He also shares insights on the challenges his wife Mary faced in supporting him through the recovery process, and how their relationship navigated the changes. 

Key Points

• The interviewee believes his NDE was a learning experience, not a "free pass" to avoid the responsibilities of human existence. [00:47]
• He describes the NDE as transitioning from the "energetic superhighway" to a "lower density" physical dimension to experience emotions and sensations not possible in the eternal realm. [01:48]
• The interviewee's wife Mary initially struggled to understand the changes in him, but they were able to navigate the aftermath through open communication and her own spiritual growth. [06:44]
• The interviewee believes death is not something to fear, as it is simply a transition to another dimension of existence. [25:21]
• He emphasizes the importance of recognizing the "divinity" in all people and accepting others as they are, rather than trying to fit them into our own biases or beliefs. [27:02]

Notable Quotes

"We are all of the creator's energy, and we have an obligation, I believe, to accept others for what they are and not make them into our own image." 

Main Arguments

1. The physical body is not meant to last forever, but the spirit/soul continues on to other dimensions after death. 
2. Spirits/entities from the eternal dimension can acknowledge our presence but cannot force us to act against our free will.
3. The message from the "source of all creation" is one of love, truth, and acceptance, not punishment or exclusion. 

Recurring Themes

• The purpose and meaning of life and death [25:21]
• The interconnectedness of the physical and spiritual realms [13:50]
• The importance of love, acceptance, a

Transcript

This transcript was created using ai, and therefore may contain some errors.

Julia Marie (00:00):

In part two of my conversation with Philip Hash Heider about his six minutes in eternity. We're going to explore more about the impact it had on his wife and family and how he discovered his purpose for returning Welcome to Evolving Humans, the podcast for Awakening Souls. I'm your host, Julia Marie. Settle in and get ready for another spirited conversation. I am really interested in how you changed your approach to life after that. NDE, Philip Hasheider (00:54):

I'm going to start out by saying that just because I had this wonderful experience, I'm not given a free pass here. I still have to function here in this dimension. Yeah, I have to drive on the right side of the road. I have to obey the laws, anything else that goes with being in this human existence. But I would not wish anyone to purposely leave this life to go have a near death experience. We are given a wonderful opportunity here to learn, and that's why I really believe that's why we're here. We here embodied in this physical structure to learn in this lower density.
(01:48)
I liken it to what I describe as an energetic super highway. I was on that and I decided to take the off-ramp in 1951 and I came down into this lower dimension so that I could experience all of the things we have here, the tactile, the emotional, anything else you want to describe in this dimension that you cannot quite experience the same way in that eternal dimension. So I came down here, I was born up, my parents, I was raised by them. I've now spent 73 years here, but I know that eventually my body here will use up all this fuel just like everyone else. These bodies are not constructed to last forever because eventually the learning process stops and then when the body ceases to exist, I will get back onto that energetic superhighway and I will continue on to another dimension. Now, coupled with that is my understanding of our bodies are more than the sum of its parts. By that I mean when I was standing next to the arming, I had all the same parts as when I was lying dead on the floor.
(03:21)
Except for one thing, the inner essence of me, the inner spirit, the soul, if you want to put a word to it, had left. And that is what was experiencing this other dimension. But then when they did restart my heart, it had to leave there and come back here. And so I do know that once we leave here, our bodies aren't going to go along. They can't. They're only fit for this lower density, but my spirit, my essence, my soul will continue on and have an infinite number of universes dimensions to explore and an infinite eternal time to do it. Because once we are created in that little spark that came from this gigantic golden sphere, this source of all creation, this God essence, once we've left there, we carry with us the DNA of the Creator and we bring that here and we will take that with us because the DNA of the Creator does not break down. So in order to live here, we have to be born with the same species, but we're all the same. Last thing that you asked about was the lack of ownership of things I had and it struck me almost instantly when I got home is that, boy, I don't need any of this stuff now. At that stage I hadn't quite figured out that yeah, I still need to make some money to able live and have food on the table and everything else. Plus I had the farm work to deal with. Julia Marie (05:24):

How do you think you and your wife Mary were able to navigate the aftermath? What did you do? Philip Hasheider (05:30):

Mary would let me handle equipment for quite a while, and unfortunately she hovered over me just because she cared in that I couldn't really walk anywhere without her either wanting to know where I was or when I would be back. And looking back I, I'm grateful for that support, which leads us into a whole new area of how it affects or the aftermath, the after effects of an NDE for the rest of the family. So it was a real challenge to our family and one of the things we've found in the last year is that of married couples who one partner has an NDE and the other doesn't that upwards to 80% of them ended up divorced, but it's not that they don't like each other anymore, they just can't understand each other. And that leads to a lot of challenges. Fortunately, Mary has been very accepting and has had her own spiritual track and she was able to sense that there was something really unique about it and true.
(07:10)
And so that has really kind of smoothed some of the bumps, not entirely because even now, almost 10 years later, we stumbled across something that really triggers one or the other of us, not in a bad way, but it's just like, whoa, where'd that come from? So I can understand why the separation of married people may be extremely high in some cases. Fortunately for us, we're still together. And there was a lot of silence initially because she didn't know if one of her questions would set me off or not set me off, would cause a relapse of some sort. And I didn't know if I said something, if she would take it as a criticism or a critique. So there was a lot of dancing around not saying anything. How we dealt with over time was eventually just talking through the moments when they occurred. And since she knew by this time the essence of what I was trying to explain, she could look at it I think from a different angle than maybe one of my friends would've been able to do. So it just took a lot of time and a lot of work. Julia Marie (08:48):

How did you perceive how she was handling it and at what point in your recovery did you really become of her response to the situation? Philip Hasheider (09:00):

The moment that really caught me, it stopped me in my tracks, was one morning when I came down from upstairs for breakfast and after breakfast she said, I have something I want to show you. So she went into our living room and came back with a stack of papers about two and a half, three inches thick. These were all the copies of the emails that she had sent out to let our friends know, my family know of what happened. And she had kept track of these all through the previous seven, eight months. And she said, well, this is what I was going through. So she had written to friends how she was feeling. By the time I got done down to the last page, I had a much different perspective of what she had gone through and a greater appreciation for what she put up with to deal with me. How can you not be grateful for something like that?
(10:16)
It was just astounding that she was willing to take that much effort, not only to keep my family and friends informed, but to take the effort to write about it to them and then have depressive enough to keep a copy of it so that in case I did finally come out of my fog, that I could understand her end of it. So I had the experience, but it was a communal healing, I guess is the best way to put it between her and me, which otherwise I'm not going to say what might've happened because it didn't. So it's just a possibility. It wasn't a road or a turn that we took and we're still together, but we still discuss it and we discuss her transformation over the years and that is not something I can explain, but that she was more understanding because of that. Julia Marie (11:30):

What did your experience teach you about the uncertainty of mortality? Philip Hasheider (11:38):

Well, again, it's going to be that we aren't built for this dimension forever. Now, one of the interesting things I did recognize was that if I can travel from this dimension to an eternal dimension and come back, if I can do that, certainly others can do that. And I mean by others, other entities, other spirits, some people may call 'em angels, whatever you want to label them as spirit guides. I think there's such an easy transfer between those dimensions to this that we don't even recognize how significant that is. People have said they've seen family members standing next to them, and I don't doubt that for a minute. I think we can go back and forth. I do not believe that those spirits or entities can influence us here. I think they can come and acknowledges, but I don't think that they can make us do things we don't want to do or things we want to do. I think that is free will. That is free choice that we are given as a portion of the DNA from the creator. When we exited that golden sphere once we separated, we had free choice.
(13:13)
I don't know how else to explain that, but that's what I believe. And so I think we can have what people might refer to as visitations. I'm not familiar with it, I haven't read up on that sort of thing, but I think we can tap into that spiritual essence. And when we are here, we have to embody this dense physical structure. One of the really interesting things, and I think we should be grateful for is that because we are here, we can experience this dimension in the tactile, the physical, the emotional perceptive way that I don't think we can. If we just came as a spirit, I think they could be here. And I'm certain they're here amongst us, but they can't feel the same things we do. Now. Why I could feel that essence in that other dimension and bring that back here was something that I questioned that first too. Could I really feel that there and bring it back? But because when I return my thoughts to that dimension and go through that whole episode, I still get this feeling inside me. So where is that coming from? That has to be coming from some sort of energetic resonance that I brought back with me. That's the only way that I can understand it. Julia Marie (15:08):

I will make this observation that as a medium, I am influenced by spirits of loved ones before their person comes for a sitting. I've drawn their faces before I even meet the sitter. And sometimes I am impressed to, one example was I was dressed and ready to go and five minutes before the appointment I had to run back upstairs and I don't have a lot of pink in my wardrobe, but I had to put on a pink shirt. And when I went downstairs, I made a comment to the person who was sitting across from me for the appointment and said, yeah, I had the distinct impression that I was being prompted to change my outfit. And I plucked at my shirt and I said, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the color pink is an important thing to whoever it is we're going to be talking to. And I said, don't tell me until afterwards. Well, it was her son that came through and pink was his favorite color. So I do know that they can influence us. Are they going to force us to do something? No, we can respond to those promptings or not. So I agree with you that we have free will, but I will say they do. The people on the other side do have the capacity to nudge us. That's how I'll put it. Well, Philip Hasheider (16:44):

I would agree with you on that because why was it that all of a sudden I turned left instead of turning right when I came in? Julia Marie (16:51):

Exactly. Philip Hasheider (16:52):

I mean, I had intended on going to get my tires changed and instead I made a choice to turn left. Oh yeah, I can do that. But somehow the thought or the encouragement, the essence of take a different choice surface subconsciously and because I never thought anything about it. Oh, I got time to go do a quick session. It was supposed to be a quick session at the fitness. Yeah, Julia Marie (17:29):

The story of how you discovered your reason for coming back to this life was pretty compelling. What happened Philip Hasheider (17:38):

After I had had my collapse, I was put on blood pressure medicines, which over the next three, four months really caused me a lot of physical challenges. I mean, I was stumbling. I mean, it had lowered my blood pressure so much that I could barely function. And Mary kept telling the doctors that there's something with this that's really affecting him. And it took a second collapse at our clinic before I ended up back in the hospital and they did more tests and their whole reasonable cause of it was because of the blood pressure medicine. When they took that away from me, I was better. But before that happened, I came down one morning from upstairs down our steps, plop myself in the end of the kitchen table on my chair, and Mary was sitting at the other end and she had a notepad in her hand.
(18:50)
And I thought, well, I'm going to get a lecture on something. And I sat there for a little bit and then she finally said, are you ready to hear what you said last night? And I said, I didn't say anything. I don't remember. She said, oh yeah, you did. And I had a notebook next to the table, and so I got it in a pen and figured you were going to say something. And she said, you sat up in bed, you were mumbling. I couldn't understand what it was you were saying. And then all of a sudden you stopped and you started shaking your head back and forth from one side to the other saying, I don't believe it. I don't believe it, I don't believe it. And she asked me, what don't you believe? And she said, I told her the reason I came back. And she said, well, why did you come back? And she said, my answer was I've been told I have to come back to be a conduit for those who don't have any hope or don't think there is any.
(20:08)
And after she said that, I knew instantly why I was where I was when I was with all that help available because I still had something I needed to do and I couldn't leave completely at that point in time. That was the real answer to what I had been seeking. Why did I come back? Well, that's, it's so part of what I do when I talk is try to explain to people that there is hope because I've seen it, I felt it. And they have a choice to accept that or not. I mean, we are all on this pathway, our journey here together. And the one thing that we all can share on that pathway is a sense of hope. Julia Marie (21:06):

I agree. I mean your story, me seeking you out, one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on here is because I promise in my description of this podcast that I'm looking for ordinary people who've had extraordinary experiences and how do they process that? And your story's a perfect example, and I'm happy that you do know why you've come back and that you're so dedicated to fulfilling your purpose because you're sitting in front of me telling your story. Well, the only thing you did in writing your book was tell about your experience to the best of your ability and your understanding. I know I keep saying it's a great book and I don't very often personally recommend books, but this is one of the best NDE books I've ever read just because of the depth that you went into about the experience itself and what happened to you afterwards. We're getting close to the end here. I have a couple more questions. What did you learn from your time in eternity? Philip Hasheider (22:30):

Well, the first thing I learned in looking back at all this is that this is not the end. This is a way station for an experience that you will take with you once you leave. I will take with me once I leave and we will go on to another experience somewhere within this infinite panorama of universes and dimensions that I've, we will go somewhere and have another experience. And when that one ends, we'll go on to another one and we will keep doing that for all eternity, however long you think eternity is. So that's the big thing that this life here is not the end. Sure, our bodies will cease to exist, but the spirit, the soul, we will continue to exist for. So that to me is the big thing. Secondly, the message that I experienced in that other dimension from the source of all creation, the divine creator, the God essence, whatever you want to label that infinite source of knowledge love.
(24:08)
The message is that it is love, it is truth. And that all of the negative things that we experience here are just lower dimensional things that don't exist in that hired fear, violence, none of that exists there. Everyone is welcome. No one is cast aside. No one is destroyed. No one is sent to what some people refer to as hell. There's no help. Why would a loving creator energy devise something like that? It doesn't make any sense to me. And I didn't experience it. It was all love. It's all welcome. So if we are going to look at that as us being welcomed, then why can't we share that same welcome love acceptance to those of us here who incidentally carries the same DNA energy that I carry? You carry. Everyone else carries. We all have it, and yet we decide we need to exclude some people because of what we think, but that's not really the true essence of what we are.
(25:36)
A third thing I would suggest is something I've learned is that death isn't anything to fear. Yeah, that has its own lineage as well. We're trained to avoid death as much as we can. And it's a good thing because you can continue experiencing life here, but the energy of death is just something that's been laid on over the millennia that avoid it at all. Cause try to push it back as much as you can. And there's nothing wrong with that, trying to stay healthy and experience longer days than that, but eventually that comes to an end as well. So it's really not useful to me to even think about fearing my death because I've died once. It's no big deal really. You're here one moment and you're not here one moment, but you're somewhere else that's even more crammed in this place. We come here to learn, and this is like a school.
(26:49)
We're not here to be punished, and we come here to recognize what I'll call the divinity in everyone next to us. The person's sitting next to you, the one behind you in the bus, wherever. And to accept and recognize the divinity in everyone you meet or everyone you don't meet, everyone you like, and those you don't care for at all. We are all of the creator's energy, and we have an obligation, I believe, to accept others for what they are and not make them into our own image. I will say one thing here at the end that some people may not find settling, but we tend to assign a name to what I've referred to as a source of all energy, the goddesses. We tend to assign a name or a personage to that energy, and I can't say that I ever saw any person. I saw energy, energetic figures, but not a person personage. And we try to choose a God that tends to fit our own biases, our own beliefs, rather than the other way around where we need to understand the energy, the positive, the hopeful, the loving, the welcoming, welcoming the acceptance energies coming from the creator. That is our purpose as I see it. Julia Marie (28:59):

Well, those are some great lessons, and I just want to thank you, Philip, for all the time you gave us today, Philip Hasheider (29:10):

Julia Maria, I'm just pleased with how you've asked the questions and it's allowed me a chance to explain my experience. Julia Marie (29:22):

I feel like it was an important conversation, and I know somehow some way someone's going to benefit from this discussion, so I want to thank you for coming on evolving humans. Philip Hasheider (29:34):

Well, thank you so much, Julia. Marie, I've really appreciated our time together, and I wish you and your audience well, and perhaps we'll talk again in the future. Julia Marie (29:47): 

We just might. I enjoyed this conversation. Well, that's our time for today. Thank you for continuing to support evolving humans. If you found value in this episode, please share it with at least two other people so that together we can bring more light to this world. If you need guidance or clarity about a life situation, want to reconnect with your friends and loved ones in spirit, or are in need of energy healing, please click on the website link in the show notes for Julia Marie us and smash the book now button on the homepage to make an appointment. And now here's a quote for you to ponder as you go about your day. Life is a near death experience. George Carlin.