Are We Alone? Inside Stories of UFO Encounters and Why the Urgent Need for Gov't Transparency Ep 117 | Guest: Birdie Jaworski

Julia Marie and her guest, Birdie Jaworski, discuss UFO-UAP encounters on this episode of Evolving Humans.
Birdie heads the largest UFO group in the country in Albuquerque, NM.

She shares her personal experiences with UFO sightings and discusses the cultural and religious reasons why many people struggle to believe in the existence of UFOs.

She also discusses the Schumer Rounds Amendment, a bill that calls for controlled disclosure to the American public about the reality of UFOs and the government's possession of non-human intelligence. The bill, which was not passed in its entirety, is expected to be resurrected in the next congressional rounds.

She recounts the Roswell story for those not familiar with it, and we talk about UFO presence in the Bible (Ezekiel's wheels and the pillar of fire that led Moses out of Egypt).

The rest of the conversation is in the next episode, where we discuss the Taos hum, Ghost Ranch, Skinwalker Ranch, and more.


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Transcript

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Julia Marie (00:00):
With all the attention on disclosure and UFOs in the news, I felt it was time to maybe start the conversation here on Evolving Humans. If you're curious about the phenomenon, this show is for you.
Welcome to Evolving Humans, the podcast for Awakening Souls. I'm your host, Julia Marie. Settle in and get ready for another spirited conversation.
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My guest, birdie Jaworski, describes herself as a digital detective word weaver and bee buddy based in the heart of Albuquerque, New Mexico. Birdie has a master's degree in digital forensics, and by day she's a digital forensics specialist. By night, she's the driving force behind the largest UFO group in New Mexico and the most active UFO group in the country. They gather under the vast New Mexico sky and share stories, theories, and sometimes close encounters. Her website is www abq ufos.com. So I want to
welcome you to Evolving Humans Birdie. I know this is going to be an out of this world conversation.
Thank
Birdie Jaworski (01:34):
You, Julia. It's great to be here. I'm excited to talk about my passions.
Julia Marie (01:39):
I always like to start with the same question, and you had a really interesting life-changing encounter when you were a child. My opening question is always, what was it like growing up in Birdie's House?
Birdie Jaworski (01:58):
I am the oldest of five daughters. My parents had five of us, never had a son, and


Birdie Jaworski (02:08):
I loved being with my sisters, spending time with them. I grew up in a very religious household, and so talk about things like UFOs or any kinds of alternative theories in life wasn't really a part of my experience. So when I was seven years old and saw A UFO, I didn't even have the language to describe it or even understand what it was. I can tell you the story if you like.
Julia Marie (02:39):
I'm going to ask you because there was more to that story than what you just said. So will you please elaborate as to what happened to you in 1972,
Birdie Jaworski (02:49):
I was seven years old in 1972 over Christmas break, and it was snowing outside. This was in Western where I grew up, and my sister and I, she's a year younger than I'm, we were playing with our Christmas gifts that we had received from Santa, a lone ranger and a Tonto doll, which was all the rage back then.
We were making them face off on the floor. We were having them chase the bad guys. The bad guys were being played by various stuffed animals that we had. And night was starting to set as the snow was slowly drifting down the window and out of the corner of my eye, I saw this beam of light come through the window. It was bluish and gray and didn't look like anything I had ever seen before. So I dropped Lone Ranger and my sister dropped Tonto, and we looked out the window and hovering right outside the
window was this metallic doll, silver colored, saucer shaped craft.
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I didn't even know what it was. Never heard of a UFO. Just had no understanding. And as we're watching this big, huge thing float in the sky outside our window, our dolls stood up by themselves and started spinning in this beam of light. And as I'm saying this, I'm getting goosebumps on my arms, just the memory of it and the dolls just fell, and that's all we remember. We don't really remember what happened
after that. We don't know if the ship flew away, if it wasn't ship. Indeed, we don't know what happened to the light. We just remember kind of whispering about it in the following days and then not talking much about it until we were older because it was such a strange, strange experience, very dreamlike. But we both had this shared memory of this experience.
Julia Marie (05:14):
Do you ever suspect maybe that there might have been anything else that might have happened in that space of time?
Birdie Jaworski (05:23):
At the time, I didn't suspect anything else happened. And to this day, I don't know. But as I got older and started reading science fiction and finding some books about UFOs in the public library, it hit me. Oh, that's what I saw. I saw flying saucer might've had aliens in it from another plant. I read as much as I could. And one of the things that I read about as I got older were things like missing where people would have an encounter and then they would have a period of time they couldn't remember, or they would wake
up the next day and didn't remember how the experience ended. And some of these people would go through hypnotic regression only to discover that they had these deep below the surface memories of encountering strange beings that look very different from us, from we humans. And they would be dressed differently perhaps in body suits, perhaps apparently having no clothes at all. And maybe they would be doing some kind of procedures or tests on those people. And I've never undergone a hypnotic
regression to find out if I have these buried memories. I guess I like keeping the mystery and the possibility open.
Julia Marie (06:55):
Yeah, I wasn't for or against anything. I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.
Birdie Jaworski (07:05):
If I had to say, I suspect that something did happen that we don't remember because
Julia Marie (07:11):
It's kind of what it feels like.
Birdie Jaworski (07:13):
Yeah, exactly. And then I had another experience, which in a way is similar. When I was a teenager, I was 16 years old at a slumber party with a bunch of girls. This would've been in the early eighties, maybe 81, around there. And we were having just a really fun time in the lower level of her house. She had this kind of traditional seventies ranch with the dual levels, and they had a rumpus room, as they used to call it, with the wood paneling on the sides and a sliding patio door that opened up into this huge field with
trees remain the field. And as we're playing truth or dare, I was asked a question that I did not want to answer. So I took the dare and the Dare was to run outside. And again, this was similar to my experience when I was seven years old.
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This was also over Christmas break, weirdly enough, and there was snow on the ground, about a foot and a half of snow. I took the Dare and the Dare was to run around the entire yard in the snow naked singing the Love Boat song. So I ripped off my clothes and started running around the yard singing the Love Boat theme song. I'm not going to torture anyone with that here right now. And I get halfway across the field
and I see this huge orangey, reddish light coming from behind the trees. And I just stop on my tracks. And I'm not even feeling the cold at that point in this big diamond shaped object as if he would take two pyramids, one on top of the other so that it was a big diamond shape
Julia Marie (09:17):
Base to
Birdie Jaworski (09:17):
Base. Base to base. Exactly. And it started floating over the field. I turned around, all my friends were looking out the door, the sliding patio door, which was open. And the last thing I remember was thinking I could pick up this pine cone and chuck it at this thing and it would hit it. That's literally the last thing I remember. The next day, the next morning we're all at breakfast, and three of us out of six girls had red, completely red faces as if we were sunburn sunburn.
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And the dad of the girl whose home that was said, were you girls into the makeup? And we just were like, huh, huh. Because we didn't quite remember any of it. And it was only on high school graduation party after high school graduation. People were drinking the way kids do. And my best friend was throwing up in the bushes and I was holding her air back, and there was something about the light in the sky, something about it, and it all came back to me and I said, oh my God, do you remember that party, that
sleepover party? And my friend said, we saw UFO, and we gathered a couple of the other girls who had been at that party who were at that graduation party, and we talked about it the rest of the night, and we couldn't believe that. We didn't remember anything until that moment. Wow. Yeah.
Julia Marie (11:02):
So it seems like at least three of you came in close enough contact with it, with whatever it was to get sunburn.
Birdie Jaworski (11:14):
And I don't know what caused that sunburn. I know that people who have had close encounters with unidentified craft like that, some of them have had things like radiation burns, and who knows? This was a long time ago now, and we didn't even remember the experience. So I don't know if I was exposed to something or if it was simply the light that the object was giving off was so intense that it gave me a sunburn, something akin to a sunburn. Yeah,
Julia Marie (11:50):
You're talking about the olden, and there's a lot of people, Hey, I'm part of the olden days. Okay, that's right. So there's a lot of people listening that don't have a memory of what life was like pre-internet, let alone what it was like to be obsessed with UFOs in an era before the worldwide web. Now, I too waited with bated breath for my Omni magazine to show up in my mailbox, but I didn't go to all the conferences
and things like you did. I didn't dive as deeply in, but I was fascinated. So I probably have some unconscious memories myself. I always had a connection with the space. Remind us what that time was like to be somebody as actively obsessed as you were about the phenomenon. How hard did you have to work to get information
Birdie Jaworski (12:48):
Today? Anyone can look at their phone and pull up absolutely anything, anywhere. You can watch YouTubes, tiktoks, Instagram reels, Facebook, and get instant information, your questions answered in the blink of an eye. But back then, in the seventies and through the eighties when I was growing up, everything was so slow. You had to take books out of the library and request books, because I grew up in a small town in Western Massachusetts. Yeah,
Julia Marie (13:23):
Interlibrary loans.
Birdie Jaworski (13:25):
Interlibrary loans. And then you would request a book. Maybe they could get it, maybe they couldn't and you might not find out for two months if they could even get it. Maybe six months later, the book would show up at the library, and then you'd have a whopping two weeks to read it before you had to return it never to see it again. And you would have to pay for photocopies if you wanted to save information on a
page. There wasn't an easy way to save printed information. I subscribed to a few different magazines as a teenager, spent my babysitting money on things like Omni Magazine, fate Magazine, a couple of others.
40 in Times was another one that I had delivered all the way from England. And so those would come sporadically. But there were incredible stories in there about Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster, all kinds of related phenomena like that.
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And you would go to conferences maybe once a year, and you would have to save your money to attend these conferences. And they would usually, back then, they wouldn't be held in big fancy places like they are today. They'd be kind of seedy hotel rooms. And you'd plunk down a couple of books and get in there and you'd listen to an expert, somebody who had been studying this phenomenon and by studying this
person. And I was like, invariably a man. Right? Back then it was almost all men. And even today in this space, it is very male-centric.
(15:05):
And so you would listen to this expert, and then they would have their book for sale if they had a book, or you could buy a draft brochures that they would make with their information on it, sign up for their newsletter, which wouldn't be an e-newsletter. It would be an actual subscription service where they would mail it out to you if they even remembered to do that. True. And you had this time, you had the
luxury of time, which is something, this perspective that I think is kind of missing in the field today, where you would read something, digest it, think about it, wonder about it, and then you were ready for the next bite of information. Today, it's so fast, boom, boom, boom, boom, anything.
Julia Marie (15:53):
It's like opening a fire hose and just
Birdie Jaworski (15:56):
It's, and you get on UFO Twitter or UFO, Reddit, and everyone's talking about the last 10 seconds in the world, not things necessarily that happened 20 years ago or 50 years ago. Once in a while, those  conversations occur, but it's what's happening right now. Everyone's so hungry for that next bite of information.
Julia Marie (16:22):
For a lot of people. You're speaking about people that believe in the phenomenon or the possibility of we're not alone in the universe. Why do you suppose believing in UFOs can be such a hard thing? For a lot of people?
Birdie Jaworski (16:41):
We have been culturally conditioned to reject the idea that we are not alone in this universe. Some of this comes from religious programming where we have been taught that we are God's children. He created us. We are the center of everything. And when you are considering a worldview that places you just on equal footing with any number of things that might be out there, it can be unnerving for people. Additionally,
ever since Roswell, and for those of you who I think almost everybody knows at least the basics of what I mean by Roswell, but I'll give
Julia Marie (17:34):
You, give the Reader's Digest version anyway.
Birdie Jaworski (17:36):
Yeah, readers, exactly. So in 1947, around the 4th of July, it was just after a rancher was out on his property outside of Roswell, New Mexico. And Roswell is a small city today of about 60,000 people. And back then it was much, much, much smaller, very rural community. It's still rural today, lots of ranches around cattle ranches, and there is some oil out there now, oil fields. But at the time, it was mostly just ranch property, small, small town with a newspaper called the Roswell Daily Record, which is still in
existence today, still owned by the same family today, in fact. And this rancher, Mac Brazel wrote out to look at his cows, and he sees this big debris field. His ranch is covered in all of this strange metal pieces of metal, pieces of material he couldn't recognize, and it is scattered over a wide distance, very long distance.
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And so he goes into town, gets the sheriff and says, Hey, come out and take a look at this. Eventually, the military, the Roswell Air Force Base, which was there at the time, airfield Roswell Army Air Airfield, it wasn't the Air Force at that time. It was the Roswell Army airfield. They sent military guys out. They locked that site down. Meanwhile, in another location, a few miles away, the remainder of what had crashed was found. And what it looked like was essentially a broken up flying disc. And inside of it were
several small bodies, allegedly. There were bodies that were no longer living. And the Roswell Daily Record put out a story that a disc had been retrieved by the army airfield, and there was a quick coverup.
And today most people say, oh, it was a weather balloon, because that was the official story given.
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And then other stories were given by the government in the subsequent years. It was test crash dummies.
It was a mogul weather balloon, and they've never admitted that it was anything beyond that, that there have been literally hundreds of witnesses to this event who swear, many of them literally on their deathbed, that what crashed there was some kind of unidentified craft that could not have been made by a human, and that the occupants absolutely could not have been humans. They were the size of children
about three feet tall, maybe a little bit bigger, and they didn't look like we look at all. And so that's the Roswell incident, and that coverup has continued. And part of the coverup has been to ridicule anyone who even offers any kind of explanation or evidence or photos or videos or anecdotal stories firsthand.
Secondhand stories that they have seen things or people they know have seen things.
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You're automatically labeled a crackpot and nutcase. I mean, I've been called all these things. So we don't quite have the stigma now because we have members of Congress who are looking into this phenomena and who are admitting that, Hey, there's something real here. So ever since Roswell, that's why to circle back to your question, that's why people have a hard time, I think, accepting that this could be real
because they're afraid of admitting perhaps what they think could be real, or they've been so conditioned to believe that it has to be fake for all of these reasons, religious and just social conditioning, it's hard to believe in if you haven't had an experience or you haven't done the research, I would think,
Julia Marie (21:58):
I like to always refer back to what were Ezekiel's wheels.
Birdie Jaworski (22:02):
That's right.
Julia Marie (22:03):
Okay. That's biblical.
Birdie Jaworski (22:06):
There are so many crazy stories, biblical stories. There are stories about the sons of God, some kind of creatures coming from the sky and coming down to earth and impregnating human women. There are multiple stories of craft in the sky in Exodus as Moses is leading his people to freedom, they are being led by a pillar
Julia Marie (22:39):
That's
Birdie Jaworski (22:39):
Floating in the sky. It sounds like one of those tic-tacs that the Navy pilots have been describing. So it's
Julia Marie (22:49):
Just It actually does.
Birdie Jaworski (22:50):
It does, doesn't it? Yeah. If you actually go back and read through Genesis, you'll think, oh my gosh, it's,
Julia Marie (23:00):
It's been around a long time. This phenomenon of objects flying in the sky. And I know the current properly designated term is UAPs, but I'm old school. I like UFOs.
Birdie Jaworski (23:15):
I, Colin UFOs, I'm sorry. UAP is honestly just an attempt at rebranding to reduce some of the stigma. And I mean, I do understand why unidentified aerial phenomenon is what UAP stands for, and sure, sometimes it may not be technically an object as in UFO, the O bean object. Maybe it is some kind of strange thing. So I understand the UAP terminology, but man, UFO just rolls off the tongue. Yeah.
Julia Marie (23:48):
So I just wanted to put a little side note in there. I know the proper term is UAP these days, but I'm sorry. UFO feels more right to me. If I'm someone who's having a hard time believing in UFOs, I mean, after all, why should I even care?
Birdie Jaworski (24:09):
Yeah. Why should anyone care? I think that it is quite honestly the most compelling story in the entire history of humanity. The idea that we are not alone. If the president finally comes forward and says to the world, we are not alone, we have been visited by some kind of non-human intelligence. That's another buzzword that's running around in these circles today. You can call me aliens, non-human intelligence,
whatever you want to call them. If the president comes out and says that they do exist, it's going to create a complete existential crisis. I think for so many people that haven't allowed for that in their kind of internal tapestry, people have their religious convictions, they have ideas about their place in the world.
This is important. If we have been visited by beings that have technology that is so superior to us, just the knowledge of that technology that the government has allegedly been hiding and reverse engineering, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that in testimony to Congress by whistleblowers has suggested this,
then we are in possession of life-changing technology, things like energy devices that could stop our use of fossil fuels and help heal our environment.
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Technologies that could stop world hunger, that could stop perhaps just this escalation of aggression that we are so guilty of as a human species. And this is why you should care about UFOs. It allows you to consider who you actually are in this universe. You're just a human being, one of many species, and you're on this one beautiful blue planet, and it's a tiny, tiny place in a huge, vast ocean, full of bigger fish.
And there is some beauty in recognizing that. I think that's one of the great teachings of most mystics is to realize that you are a small breath in a large breath full.
Julia Marie (26:46):
If it was actually brought to public view, then the potential for the world to be basically the Eden, it was designed to, could be achievable, but then many things would have to change.
Birdie Jaworski (27:06):
It would be, I think, a lot of chaos if it's not done well. And there's a term being bandaided about now, catastrophic disclosure, and this is being talked about. Oh, I
Julia Marie (27:18):
Haven't heard that.
Birdie Jaworski (27:19):
Yeah. This is actually quite interesting because just to give a little bit of congressional history, this over
Julia Marie (27:25):
The past months, that's where I was going next. Yeah. So go ahead.
Birdie Jaworski (27:29):
So the head of the Senate, Chuck Schumer, Senator Schumer and Senator Rounds, who is a Republican, Schumer's, a Democrat together with several, their colleagues wrote up an amendment that's called the Schumer Rounds Amendment. And it is for UAP disclosure, UFO disclosure, but they're using the UAP terminology. And this amendment passed the Senate, and it did not pass the house as it was written. It
was gutted to some extent. And the language in this bill is breathtaking. It's over 64 pages long. It literally uses the words non-human intelligence, something like 62 times. And it describes in this language, it calls for controlled disclosure to the American public about the reality of not only the UFOs UAPs exist, but the government has them, has actual craft and actual bodies, which they call biologics in the paperwork,
in their possession, and in the possession of defense contractors. It's literally in this bill written by the leader of the Senate and multiple others in Congress because they are privy to this classified information.
So this bill was making the rounds through Congress, and it wasn't passed in its entirety. The parts that were gutted were the parts where the bill had instructed the President. If it had been passed, it would be President Biden to set up a panel of nine people. And this would be kind of based loosely on the JFK assassination panel.
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And in this case, they wanted scientists, sociologists, theologians, people that have a say, and they would weigh the evidence and go comb through all of these years, 75 years of history with the phenomenon, all of the reports collected, classified reports, not reports that have ever been revealed to the public, things we don't know about. And they would describe how it should be rolled out to the public. Now, the panel, that
part was gutted from the bill and also any kind of a legal retribution for withholding information that was taken out of the bill. So we're kind of left with, well, people, if they have any information, they should let Congress know, and that's kind of where we're at, although they're trying to resurrect the bill for the next congressional rounds, but if you're paying attention to Congress, these people are taking it very seriously.
What's interesting is it's a bipartisan effect. It's not just Republicans or Democrats who are interested.
They're working together on this. You have people like in the House committee that did the congressional hearing,
Julia Marie (30:52):
Do you know the committee
Birdie Jaworski (30:53):
Name or something? It's the House Committee on the Select House Committee on Intelligence. And they held a congressional hearing, and they had people like a OC who is as liberal a Democrat as you get. She was asking about, well, where is this money hidden for these black budget projects for these UAP
projects? She's literally asking these questions in Congress. I know, right? It's amazing. And then you have people completely on the other side of the spectrum. Matt Gates, for example, Republican who was describing how he went to an Air Force base in Florida, and they refused to give him classified information that he should have been privy to. And eventually they did show him photographic evidence of a flying craft that could not have been made by human hands. And he testified to this in Congress on
the same stage as a OC. And it's just fascinating to see how this is happening in Washington dc but it's not happening on the streets of mainstream America yet. But we're getting there.
Julia Marie (32:12):
That's the news thing, which is a whole other topic. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'm going to do a little digging and see if I can find the exact number of the bill and maybe take a look at that and put it in the show notes if I can find it. Oh,
Birdie Jaworski (32:31):
I can email you the
Julia Marie (32:33):
Perfect, I'd love to put it in the show notes for people that are interested. It'd be good to follow up
Birdie Jaworski (32:38):
On it. Yeah, you need to look at it. People probably would love to read it. It's absolutely fascinating language, and I know it was eyeopening for a lot of people who did not believe in UFOs, UAPs, non- human intelligence, aliens, whatever you want to call all this stuff. People that were on the fence or very skeptical, they read this bill and they said, holy cow, there's got to be something real here. If these serious congressional members are saying this, it's got to be something there.
Julia Marie (33:12):
I knew something was going on. I didn't know it had gotten that far. So I appreciate that piece of news.
Well, that's our time for today. Next time I continue my conversation with Birdie Jaworski, and we talk about our collective loss of the connection to the Infinite, the Taos, New Mexico Hum, the Ghost Ranch, a connection to the Field and Skin Walker Ranch on the Hitchhiker Effect to all you evolving humans. Thank you for your continued support of this podcast. If you found value in this episode, please hit
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