How Improving Our Relationships Enriches Our Spirituality | Guest: Melanie TruppPt1 Ep106

Julia Marie interviews Melanie Trupp, a counselor and relationship expert with 25 years of experience. This episode is Part 1 of a two-part conversation.
Trupp discusses the spiritual aspects of relationships, including the relationship with oneself. 
She emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and self-love, and how these aspects can impact our relationships with others. 
Trupp also discusses the concept of hypnosis and de-hypnosis, explaining that everyone is in a form of hypnosis, whether they are aware of it or not. She explains that hypnosis is the belief system that we have, and her job is to help people break free of these trances.
 Trupp also discusses the difference between ego and self, explaining that the ego is the independent part of us that is out for survival, while the self is the part of us that is connected to everything else. 
Some of the things you will learn are:

• How relationships are mirrors of our inner state
• How a non-judgmental approach can change the world
• We are all hypnotized! Learn how to de-hypnotize ourselves
• The beauty and power of saying "no", and
• The difference between ego and Self

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Melanie's website

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Transcript

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To all you awakening souls out there. My story is now a book Signals from my Soul, A Spiritual Memoir of Awakening is available on Amazon. Please click on the link in the show notes and grab a copy for yourself. 
Now, I brought my next guest on to chat about the spiritual aspects of relationships, including the relationship we have with ourselves After learning. She spent 10 years meditating in caves in India.
The conversation took an unexpected turn. You won't want to miss it. I'll air part one today and part two tomorrow, so you don't have to wait a week to hear the entire conversation. And now, welcome to Evolving Humans, the podcast for Awakening Souls. I'm your host, Julia Marie. Settle in and get ready for another spirited conversation
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2024. Well, this is the year to clear out what no longer serves us. And for a lot of us, it's our challenges with relationship. Today you'll meet Melanie Trump, a seasoned counselor and relationship expert with 25 years of transformative experience dedicated to primarily empowering women, but that does not
exclude the males out there who are looking for authenticity in relationships. Melanie holds certifications as a certified hypnotherapist, a master hypnotist, and hypnotherapist. She is also, by the way, a 500 hour certified yoga instructor with 40 years of Yo Gini dedication. Melanie is an intuitive visionary, grounded and centered. She trusts in the universe and understands the importance of
embracing change. She has a burning desire to support others in coming into right relationship with their authentic selves. I have the sense it's going to be a wonderful learning for all of us, and you'll want to stay tuned to the end of the show so you can hear how to access Melanie's free gift for evolving humans. Listeners. So welcome to Evolving Humans, Melanie. We're going to look at relationships through a spiritual lens today, and I'm interested to see where this discussion takes us. I have a feeling
it's going to be a good one, so I want to thank you for being here.
Melanie Trupp (02:49):
Thank you. I'm super excited because spirituality or just the whole, how do you work it just the whole complex stuff that's around us and everything that's bubbling up and boiling around. It's not just a relationship of a dating. Hi, my name is so-and-so hi. This is so-and-So, and let's try to talk. Okay. I don't want to be surface here. I want to go deep. So good. Ask me questions. And let's just start, once you get me on a roll, just tell me when to stop. Okay. Okay.
Julia Marie (03:26):
So I always ask this question first. What was it like to be Melanie growing up?
Melanie Trupp (03:36):
Oh, very simple. I guess if anyone's familiar with the Walton family, that was way back when, not to date myself, but very simple. I lived with a family of six four of us kids, my parents really simple, very much in nature. A little 400 square foot hill, a home on the hill. My parents very much into nature hikes, walking.
That was all great and wonderful. The only, I suppose trauma would be is that I was pushed out into the world, that I was naive and had no skills, zero skills. We lived very, not necessarily remotely, but to some degree for a lot of people would say very remotely. And so it was just a real nurturing little nest of plane.
Outside simplicity. We didn't have very much money. My parents never drank. It was just earth, gardening, hiking, and walking. And that's my growing up years until, as I said, I got pushed out. Not pushed out, but thrown into the water show. We said it was either sink or swim, hence to say, I think I sunk,
Julia Marie (04:55):
I'll bet it was a rude awakening to make that transition.
Melanie Trupp (04:59):
Oh, it was actually very traumatizing to be, if I look back on it, in that essence, that sort of helped me do the work that I do, because I think with the trauma and the unaware, I didn't know how to handle things, so I literally just threw myself across the cosmos. I scattered myself into probably many, many different areas, which in the end helped me because then I can reach people who are really not here, not present. So I lived out there for a long time, I do believe, because there's a lot of stuff I can't even
remember now. It's just like, oh, I can't stand not being here. But in that, there's a lot of gifts. There's a huge amount of gifts with that.
Julia Marie (05:44):
Still unpacking that one for myself. Yeah.
Melanie Trupp (05:47):
Yeah. I think there really is, it's helped me to reach a lot of people. And I certainly have the biggest gift is what's it like to be present?
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Yes. That's the biggest one. And sometimes you don't realize it until you've never had it. And now it's just the moment that I feel myself leaving or not being quite present, I just cannot stand that feeling.
And that ties into relationships too, if we're going to talk about relationships is being present, which to me right now is a very scary place for a lot of people. So much coming up within our own day-to-Day emotions and experiences. I mean, everything's in flux. There's no so simple, mindless, repetitive, everything is coming on slot to us. We don't have that. Every day is the same day. We don't have to worry. So this is bringing up a lot of stuff for people, different emotions, different fears, all of that. So
everything is just so tense right now. And if we don't get these things right and understand it, it's just going to blow up.
Julia Marie (06:59):
Yeah. Well, before we started recording, you made it, I asked you, because I know your emphasis is on women, and what did you say back to me? Because I think it's important for people to understand you're not doing it for a surface reason.
Melanie Trupp (07:19):
No, I'm not. And the reason my focus is on women is because women are the ones who have children. Women can heal themselves. So it doesn't pass it on, or we don't project it onto our children. And our children grow up to be adults, and they have relationships. And I think women are healers to some degree. Naturally they have that empathy. They have all, not to say that men don't, but they can be of service. They can be the ones that can help heal the world. And so my focus is on women mostly, as I
say, because we are the ones who have the children, we have the grandchildren, we are the matriarch of the family. We have a huge possibilities that we can help heal and bring this all together.
Julia Marie (08:07):
Like I said to you, a Native American pipe carrier who was a friend more than anything, but also a really great teacher said to me that how the world will be healed is first the women heal themselves, then help heal each other. Then together, they combine with the male in partnership, help them heal whatever their wounds are, and then together we heal the world.
Melanie Trupp (08:39):
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Julia Marie (08:42):
Your focus
Melanie Trupp (08:43):
Is on my spine.
Julia Marie (08:45):
Your focus is in the right place then. But I wanted to make that clear at the beginning here. We're not excluding anybody. We're focusing on where the quickest solution to the problem.
Melanie Trupp (08:57):
So just emphasize, that's my purpose for working with women. It's globally, it's all inclusive. So my purpose is working with women for that all inclusive, global healing that we need to do.
Julia Marie (09:10):
Yes. That's beautifully put. Now you have an interesting take on relationships, and so it was a great place to continue this conversation. Can you share that view?
Melanie Trupp (09:22):
Well, I think one of the first things is this relationship is a mirror. And wherever we are in our relationship, wherever we are experiencing, it's not separate from us. It's a mirror. So the way I look at it, if it's in our world, it's in us. And that can be a hard one for a lot of people to swallow. Not me, I'm separate, but we're not separate individuals. The old story of we are, but a drop in the vast ocean. So we are not separate. We are part of the whole ocean. So if it's out there, it's also in us. And so to me, you can use that mirror effect to say, well, what part of this is in me? Where am I doing that? And when we
can use that, it's so powerful because we can heal that within ourselves, and all of a sudden our mirror begins to change.
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And that's why I feel it's so crucial that we do our own work. I had a very wise teacher who said to me, clean up your own house before you start cleaning up everybody. And this is why. Don't underestimate the power that we have of our own healing. Do not underestimate it because I have seen it time and time again is my, how much you have changed since I have changed. And that ripples through to our children. I mean, I've got two children, and I know through my journey of this work that when I would
come home from workshops, I swear they would probably say, who's mom today? But my healing directly affected them. And so I also firmly see, and I've experienced is what as a parent does not heal.
The child is left to heal. It's like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So as a parent, it's a responsibility that we do our work. So our children is not left for them as a legacy to heal. And that in itself is changing the next generation, which will change the next, which will change the world.
Julia Marie (11:31):
Exactly.
Melanie Trupp (11:32):
So relationships are a mirror, and it's a wonderful tool. What I see out here, or lack of, even if you have, I work with women who don't have a partner, and they're looking for a partner, and it's just like, well, where are you even a partner with yourself? Where are you if you're looking for love, where are you in love with yourself? Where are you abusing? All those things that come out there, someone's abusing me
to say, okay, let go of that. That's what you're experiencing. But where are you abusing yourself? Or someone's not listening to me. Where are you not listening to yourself? And trust me, they will find it's there. And that's a mirror and that's a gift, whether it be negatively or positively. So it's a huge gift if we just look at that approach that everything outside of us is a mirror.
Julia Marie (12:23):
Yes.
Melanie Trupp (12:24):
And that's huge. That's absolutely huge.
Julia Marie (12:29):
A lot of us can understand that intellectually, but it's like how you just said it kind of settled in my body a little more.
Melanie Trupp (12:39):
Yeah, yeah. What's really funny is I always believe truth settles in the body. Oh,
Julia Marie (12:45):
Well, there you go.
Melanie Trupp (12:47):
And I think, I believe we know everything. And I read some things. We do know everything. And so you may not know it consciously, but you still know. And so when you hit the bullseye and it's just like, oh, yeah. And it's almost like I already kind of knew that, but I didn't know that. I knew that. So I always believe truth always settles in. There's no disputing it. You can believe whatever you want to believe,
but truth just, there's no believing anymore. You can't, it's just annoying. It becomes, oh, yeah. So it's awakening. So even truth starts to awaken these principles of life, these soul principles that we need to resurrect and begin to live by. And that whole little bit about drop in the ocean as we project, and we'll judge someone else. No more different than you're judging a part of yourself. And that's where we can start accepting and say, well, that's in me too. Where is it? And I can heal and love that part and bring it
up into the light. My God. Can you imagine the transformation that this whole world could come into?
It's unbelievable. It's there. It's just, are we as a human race, willing, willing, and ready to do this? Do we want to give up our judgments? And all of that is from the ego, which is the separateness.
Julia Marie (14:18):
Yeah.
Melanie Trupp (14:19):
Do we want to judge that de separate ourselves? Do we want to say, Hey, you are just as much a part of me as I'm a part of you. Wow. So visionary. Yes. Global.
Julia Marie (14:36):
Yes.
Melanie Trupp (14:37):
Possibilities are there. It's just, are we here yet?
Julia Marie (14:44):
I would say not quite, but we're on our way.
Melanie Trupp (14:48):
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Julia Marie (14:50):
It's starting. And I feel like this next period of time, the next 20 next generation is going to, we're going to see some big changes. So now I know you're very skilled when it comes to hypnotherapy, but I perused your website and I found something that I'd never heard before. What is D hypnosis?
Melanie Trupp (15:21):
Oh, I'm so glad you asked, asked.
Julia Marie (15:24):
So go ahead and tell us what hypnosis is, and then please tell me what dhi hypnosis is because I jumped out at me.
Melanie Trupp (15:31):
Everybody, all you listeners, everyone is in a form of hypnosis, whether you are aware of it or not. Okay.
When you understand hypnosis, it's the trance. It's the belief system that you have. I'll give you a really good example. One of the biggest ones, a little girl growing up, and she goes to reach for something dangerous off the counter. She's just a little toddler. And No, don't do that. The parent, and they slap their little hand just out of like, don't do that. And then she goes to do something else, and she gets the little smack on the hand. No. And then she gets a little older. And it might be, I'm just exaggerating this a
bit, but maybe not for some people, is she may turn around and become a little insulin and she might say, you clean up your room. No, I'm not going to clean that.
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And so the parent of course says, don't you ever say no to me. So what happens is this is sort of repetitive, and it comes on, don't say no. When you hear the word no, you get a little slap. So what happens? That comes deep into our unconscious. No, no, no. And it comes with some kind of a slap or a hurt, or it comes with disapproval. Because as little children, we just want to be loved and nurtured so we don't feel good about it. As we grow up, we learn not to say the word no. When we say the word no,
we get this little ooh cringe because where's the slap coming? We're not aware of this. So we've sort of gone around it and we'll say, well, I can't don't know. Which is really strange because it's not. I don't NO you think you're saying, I don't KNOW.
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You're actually saying, I don't say the word no. So can we talk about this later? Or whatever. So when we slow this whole process down, and you'll notice it, when you do say the word no, there's that feeling in the body and it's a, ooh, you don't like it, you feel bad, you feel guilty, you feel anxious, you feel shamed.
You can feel whatever the case may be. That's hypnosis. That's hypnosis. So every time you say the word no, and now you're going to get this physical response. So we try to avoid this physical response. So in a how this affects in relationships, it's sort of taking away the bark from a dog. And when you take that away, where does that dog have any way to defend itself? To put up boundaries or to say anything? So
there's this, all this other manipulation and navigation that goes around saying this word.
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No. So that is hypnosis. That is absolute hypnosis. And my job is to help you break free of those trances.
And there are so many trances, that's just a simple one, but that's a very universal one. And the same actually will go for yes. How many people are afraid just to say blatantly, the word yes when it comes to something, an opportunity in life. So the same way you look at it, say the little child and uncle comes over, or whatever the case may be, you want some? Okay, don't say yes, be polite, sit back. A lot of women were told that, be polite. You shouldn't just jump out and say, yes, thank you. It's impolite.
You're too greedy, you're too this or too that. So it's not this absolute yes,
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That even transforms even to go back to the no and the yes. When we hear somebody who can absolutely say no to us, Hey, would you like to go for dinner? No, we are offended. How dare you say the word no, because I can't say the word no. So we get offended. We also seek out people if we want to. I dunno, get $10. I'm just making something up. We intuitively know. Don't ask. So-and-so they'll say the word no. So we can't hear the word no either. It gives us that same effect, but just that in itself
totally affects our life in so many ways. And the same thing with the yes.
Julia Marie (19:42):
Without us even being aware,
Melanie Trupp (19:45):
Totally unaware. And that's hypnosis. So my job is to help you and trust me, it wasn't easy for me. I had to break all of my trances to see the trances. So that was not an easy job for me as I had to do this. But to be able to see where the hypnosis lies, and it can be in our triggers, it can be in our traumas, it can be in our belief systems, it can be in our physical body where we hold these trances within ourselves, and we just really cannot see it in it.
Julia Marie (20:23):
And so is that what the D hypnosis is then? Is the
Melanie Trupp (20:27):
Raking you of those trances? The first little one for your audience is for no is what I would suggest to all my clients. Next time somebody asks you to do something, just say the word no. Do not say no thanks.
No, I can't. No, I'm sorry. Just say the word no. And feel that body come up with all those little feelings and coming up. And until those emotions no longer come up and sort of stop you, then you can go into your politeness. But rest assured right now is in a very unconscious apology for saying the word no.
Julia Marie (21:02):
Wow.
Melanie Trupp (21:03):
Yeah, it's
Julia Marie (21:04):
Good one. That can be a challenge
Melanie Trupp (21:06):
Actually. Of course, it can be. And when it's a challenge, it's indicating that you have had that trance within you where all those emotions are stored in the body. And it's really beautiful when you do this and you're doing it purposely to feel those feelings come up and you're not going to like some of those feelings, but you just let them come out of your body. That in itself is another whole topic I could go into is how these things store in our body and causes ill health. And of course then they get projected out at
other times.
Julia Marie (21:45):
Well, we have to deal with them somehow.
Melanie Trupp (21:47):
Of course,
Julia Marie (21:49):
That suppression and projection are two of the ways we do that.
Melanie Trupp (21:52):
Huge. Absolutely. But it's not healing it. It's not moving. And then what's so beautiful is when you can say the word no, and you can say it without guilt or shame, and it's just really nice. It's okay. You can say the word no, then you can hear other people say the word no, and then you can accept it. A lot of people can't accept other people saying the word no. Oh, so they said this, and they're not this, and we'll project on. They're not nice. They're all of this kind of stuff. And honestly, they have just as much
right to say no. It's just the word no. So it's really fascinating to watch people just learn how to say the word no without no, no, the tone, without the defense, without all the energy around it, without all the stuff, just no,
Julia Marie (22:45):
That's a great place for anybody who has that challenge to start just changing. That can change the world.
Melanie Trupp (22:55):
And it changes in relationships. Maybe if we just look into other things where the inability to have a boundary and stand behind it to even ask for what we want. Many people will not ask for what they want because they're afraid to hear the word. No. That's sad. And we have that right to look after ourselves and ask for what we need and what we want. It doesn't mean someone has to give it to us, that's their right to say yes or no. But underneath that hypnosis, we don't sometimes even feel that
we're even okay to ask for something that we want. So this gets really deep and really intertwined. So that's just one topic that is so big. One word. Yeah, one word. So my job is to hypnotize of these trances.
And like I said, lots of times we don't even know we have it until it's brought to our attention or I can see the patterns. So
Julia Marie (23:56):
You mentioned a word while you were talking, and so I think I'll ask you about it. So what is a trigger? How does it affect our behavior? And frankly, where do they come from?
Melanie Trupp (24:11):
Triggers are just, triggers are happening all over on the planet right now, but in our own personal little life is let's just say that we have been wounded or hurt, or we have a belief system that, oh, I'll give an example that we're not worthy or we're not good enough, or something like that. And someone comes along and it depends on their mood and the time. And they may say to them, oh, what did you just do?
For anyone who doesn't have that about themselves? They say, well, I just did this in the other conversation is, well, that didn't work out very good. And they go, no, I guess it didn't. But if we have that, we can feel that we're being attacked and all of a sudden we'll attack back. What are you talking about? You always say this. And then this escalates up because it triggers our emotions, it triggers our woundedness, and we're very vulnerable.
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The way I look at it in a physical sense is when we have no bruises on our body and somebody brushes up against us, they just brush up. Excuse me, sorry, didn't mean to, but let's just say we're battered up and we're all bruised up and someone bumps up against us. We're going to get ly. What did you just do?
And we can blame them and we can get angry at them or whatever the case may be, and we will a fight or something will escalate. So just look at that. It's a simple form. Until we're healed, we will have zero triggers. So triggers are an amazing way, again, for us to look at what's going on? What brought this up inside of me? Why did I respond that way? How come when this button got pushed, this all came up.
And so when this all comes up, we have a tendency to blame that purposely personally, you pushed this button, we can walk around and say, don't push any of my buttons. Generally how we want to act out.
Don't push any. You got to be this way to be in my life. Don't push any of my buttons. Or we can turn around and say, you know what? I'm going to heal so there's no buttons. And I can walk around the world amongst all the peoples.
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And just that in itself is when we're healed, we're free. People are still going to do what people do, but there's not going to be that triggered response. So that's triggers come in all different shapes, forms. I mean, wherever someone pushes your button, that's a good one. That's your trigger. And it's not about them that they're the bad person that pushed your button. It's about what the heck are you doing with those buttons, unhealed? Well,
Julia Marie (27:03):
It almost seems like then the best approach for me would be if I want to look at my triggers, is when I get triggered, thank the person who pushed the button, they just showed me something.
Melanie Trupp (27:13):
Yes, absolutely.
Julia Marie (27:16):
So thank you for the gift.
Melanie Trupp (27:18):
Exactly. Yeah. And to me, when you take that approach, you're taking responsibility for your healing.
You're taking responsibility for yourself. And when the opposite is and say, you shouldn't have done that. To me, that is just where you're projecting your stuff out there, and it's just causing
Julia Marie (27:41):
War. Yeah, a mess. Yeah.
Melanie Trupp (27:42):
Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Julia Marie (27:45):
What is the difference between ego and self, especially when we're talking about relationships? You mentioned ego earlier, but I have my own ideas. I want to hear what your,
Melanie Trupp (28:01):
Gosh, how deep do you want me to go on this one? I spent 10 years meditating.
Julia Marie (28:06):
You can dive in a tad. These listeners are not surface swimmers. Most of 'em go deep.
Melanie Trupp (28:16):
In my own journey, I spent over 10 years at Raman Ashram meditating the caves of Akha and self-inquiry meditation. So we are the ocean. That's what I can say. But let's just say ego is this independent little drop that says, I'm me and I am made by what I do, what I have, what I say, what I need. I'm an individual. I am not a part of anything else. I am separate. And my sense of survival is dependent on basically how I would say a lot of people, how everybody perceives me or how I perceive myself, and I'm
going to be the top dog to survive. I mean, that's a lot of negative things, but it's just this personal identity that is protected, that is defended, that is out for survival.
(29:19):
It's a thing. It's a thing that we have attached ourselves to and said, this is me. And that's where you will find in a lot of things, like when the recession came in and people committing suicide, and when they lost all their property, their value was in their money, their value of who are was in what they do for a living, their value of themselves is external. And it's a real tricky one because sometimes we can have
what we think is our inner value of who we are, but it's a thought. It's till something, okay, how deep you want to go, or actually nothing. But to say that even that is something. So it's hard to describe until I say, oh, we're nothing. Then I can actually use my ego to say, I am nothing. So in the teachings of Raman Maharshi with self-inquiry, it's I am, and that's it. Nothing's attached to it. And that is presence and that
is consciousness. And that is no ego. That is just self. I am nothing else is attached to it.
Julia Marie (30:43):
As you're talking about ego, I tell people that there's a part of our personality that's called the ego, that we kind of need to go through our day-to-day lives. It's the part that keeps us safe and drives the car and pays the bills. Is this the same ego that you're speaking of, but maybe not so healthy?
Melanie Trupp (31:09):
Well, there's healthy, what's the word? Healthy or not? I guess it's what I guess for me, I've always been told is I can have one feed on the ground and one in the cloud. So I know both. Okay. I know I am, and I also know Melanie, but there's always an awareness of Melanie. So in that awareness of Melanie, I am anchored in the self and the self. Sometimes there's two things going on. And so it's a really kind of a weird place. I'm not multiple personalities or
Julia Marie (31:51):
Anything. No, I understand.
Melanie Trupp (31:53):
But there is that awareness of this personality. But I don't, for me personally, it's not important to me. I'm not there to build it up. I'm not there to do this. I'm not there to do that. It's almost like feels so yucky to me. It's just an untruth. It's very hard to do that. But I am aware I can still be gamma. I can still be Melanie. I can still have my triggers, but that is not me. But with that awareness of this going on, this changes really quickly because it's just seems so, there's too much awareness to allow it to perpetuate.
Julia Marie (32:41):
Well, it almost feels like I say all the time for my limited understanding. I just say consciousness is a continuum. And so as we expand our awareness of all that we are, we're not so focused on the little self.
We begin to
Melanie Trupp (33:00):
Move, elevate,
Julia Marie (33:02):
Well expand into more of who we actually are.
Melanie Trupp (33:06):
And that is huge. And that little self has less importance. And we're not building it or sustaining it or defending it or protecting it. And there's a point where it will literally dissolve. And then this was my experience, it dissolves, and then you have to come back to be here. Yes. But you have no attachment to it.
Julia Marie (33:34):
See, and that's the thing. There's no
Melanie Trupp (33:35):
Attachment. Yeah. It's almost like you have to dissolve before you can let go of that attachment.
Julia Marie (33:41):
Well, we are here to be in the world, yet not of it. And I feel for my own self, how I try and explain it to people is this physical body is the instrument through which I get to express into this world. Because without it, I wouldn't have that opportunity. But that's its primary function.
Melanie Trupp (34:05):
So amazingly true. I can give little share a little story. When I lived in India, and I would go to Satan all the time with Ganesha, who was the nephew of Ramina, one of the topics was is I'm not my body. So I lived in this little hut, and it had the thatch roof, and the monkeys would come across all the time, and actually scorpions would drop down from the thatched roof. So I'm sleeping on a mattress and I've got
my little net all around it, and I'd hear this funk. It would drop down on the floor of the scorpions, and I'd get my flashlight and look at it. And I'm just a real pitbull for the truth. I wanted to know. So here I'm listening to this and I don't want to believe something. I want to know it. I just simply don't want to believe it.
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So I was like, why am I so afraid if I believe I'm not my body? Well, I said, well, that's not true. Then I obviously do believe I'm not my body. So I sort of put it out to the universe or however you want to say it. And I wanted to know, well, am I my body or am I not my body? So I left there and I was going to, on my way, walking to, and there on the road was a man who had died. He had slammed his motorcycle up on the tree, and all I saw was this body sort of hanging out the top of the motorcycle, and his head was
bleeding and his head was on the ground. And before I even got there, as I moved towards there, I felt this real empty space. It was just this non-defined space.
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It was so surreal. Yet there was traffic, but it was a silence. There was nothing there. And when I walked by, it was this huge realization and a felt thing that the body was there, but the being was not. And it was just so profound, and it just really hit me. And I thanked the universe, this is how magic happens when we ask for these things. We get taught in all different ways. And so I followed along to Ganesh's sat song, and we went into a deep meditation. And I literally, I can't explain it. You can't say, I left my
body. I was not even my body, but I was this huge expanded consciousness. Experienced. It was experienced. And it's just like I wanted to shout out from all the wherever I was, Hey, I'm not my body. Well, as soon as I think I thought I wanted to tell everybody, it's like I got slammed back in. You were
Julia Marie (36:39):
Your body.
Melanie Trupp (36:40):
Exactly. But what was so incredible was with this realization, I could not believe how much fear left my body, which I was unconscious of trying to survive my body to live in my body, the fear of death. It all got released. It just blew me away. This has never left me. And it's a knowing inside me. Then I went to production where you walk around and it's about letting go of your karma and doing stuff like that. So I was on inner production. I was walking around, and what was another most amazing thing that just
enlightened me is there was this snake on a path. And trust me, they're big snakes, right? My body moved, but it wasn't fear that made my body move. And that was another huge realization that the body just knew. But it wasn't fear of being hurt or anything that moved my body. That's a difference.
That was an absolute difference. So I don't know where we're going with this. I could just keep going
Julia Marie (37:47):
On. Well, believe it or not, I kind of understand what you said. Oh,
Melanie Trupp (37:50):
I think you do. Yes. So if you're listeners, I mean, it's something that is such a truth, but I don't really think, it's not something just to believe in. It's something to, you have to move towards that. And it's not easy sometimes because I think a belief is only as good as till it's come up against, and someone will say something. You don't have to defend a belief. It's an absolute knowing. And I think for me, experience was my knowing.
Julia Marie (38:26):
That's how we embody the truth of what is through our own firsthand experience.
Melanie Trupp (38:32):
Absolutely. So when it goes into ego, and it goes into all of this stuff, it's just like, this is where I try to aim even through relationships, is trying to move as much as I can. That is untrue. That is the illusion of who you are and how you're intersecting in relationships. Because all of this is just illusionary. All these wars, these triggers, these fights is basically all of it is is just ego. I might be going too deep with this for a long, but it is
Julia Marie (39:05):
No, but I asked the question for a reason. Because if we don't understand that there's a difference, then if we're not even aware there is a difference, then how can we even
Melanie Trupp (39:18):
Ask
Julia Marie (39:18):
The universe to show us what we need to do to have that experience?
Melanie Trupp (39:23):
But I think there's also a lot of truth. When you're in it and you don't know there is pain, there is struggle. And that is where that also has to be acknowledged. And very gently, I look at it as like when your child wakes up in the middle of the night and they have a terrible nightmare, and they're so scared, and as a parent, you just simply don't say, ah, it's just a nightmare. Let it go. I think you have to go to them and say, I know you're afraid. And then slowly say, but it's a dream. It's not real. And so there's
that real balance between acknowledging this, but feeling it's okay when it's okay to say, but it's not real. And sometimes, and this is where it's really scary times right now, as I feel so many people are just wanting to just dig that in, that this is real, this nightmare, this illusionary life that you're experiencing. It is real. And I'll defend it till the day I die rather than, no, it's not. It really isn't. And that's, I don't know,
Julia Marie (40:47):
But that's where we're identifying. We're identifying with the little self.
Melanie Trupp (40:54):
Yes, very much.
Julia Marie (40:55):
And we're not connected to our, what I call your greater self, which is everything that isn't this.
Melanie Trupp (41:03):
Yes. You can't put words to it. As soon as you do, we're going to attach something to it. So it's impossible. It's such a paradox. You're trying to point the way, but you can't give the destination. So it's really hard. All you can do is, I don't know. I mean, just kind of guide them along and take them and let it go. I don't know. That's how it works.
Julia Marie (41:24):
One of the things, the invisible teachers that showed up in my living room said to me as I was thinking I was going crazy. They said to label is to limit. Yes. The minute you label something as anything, you limit how it expresses. So
Melanie Trupp (41:41):
It's like that's why it's just like it's an impossibility. Yes.
Julia Marie (41:44):
And yet our left brain wants to do that so badly.
Melanie Trupp (41:48):
Yeah. Well, Swami NDA would say to me, he said, when you sit by the fire, eventually it's going to catch. So I think our jobs is to just be the fire right now. And people will, they'll come and they just sit by you.
And that's what Satsung is all about. They just sit and you say, and you teach and you share, and eventually things light up. Click Yeah, it clicks because it's all there. We know it. All of us know it. It's just buried under all the hypnosis. I mean, this whole illusionary world is the big hypnosis.
Julia Marie (42:27):
Well, that's our time for today. Thank you for continuing to support Evolving human. When you share an episode with at least two other people, you help bring more light to this world. And now here's a quote for you to ponder as you go about your day. Treasure your relationships, not your possessions.  Anthony J. DeAngelo