In this episode of the Evolving Humans podcast, host Julia Marie interviews Melanie Trupp, a spiritual counselor and author. This is Part 2 of our conversation.
They discuss the concept of awakening, intuition, truth, and the power of vulnerability.
Melanie explains that our intuition is only as good as our belief system and that to live intuitively from an honest, authentic place, we need to let go of our hypnosis and beliefs.
She also discusses the concept of codependency in relationships and the importance of becoming conscious and aware.
You will also learn:
Melanie encourages listeners to wake up and take responsibility for their actions, emotions, and what they project into the world.
She also offers a free gift to the first five listeners who email her at the link below and they MUST mention the podcast name!
RESOURCES:
Thanks to Prabajithk's "Together" 119002 from Pixabay for the music bed for this episode.
Melanie's Website
For the FREE GIFT: Email Melanie at the website and tell her you heard her on Evolving Humans. The first FIVE people who do so will have an opportunity to access one of her five online workshop offerings.
Thank you for listening to Evolving Humans!
For consultations or classes, please visit my website: www.JuliaMarie.us
In this episode of the Evolving Humans podcast, host Julia Marie interviews Melanie Trupp, a spiritual counselor and author. This is Part 2 of our conversation.
They discuss the concept of awakening, intuition, truth, and the power of vulnerability.
Melanie explains that our intuition is only as good as our belief system and that to live intuitively from an honest, authentic place, we need to let go of our hypnosis and beliefs.
She also discusses the concept of codependency in relationships and the importance of becoming conscious and aware.
You will also learn:
Melanie encourages listeners to wake up and take responsibility for their actions, emotions, and what they project into the world.
She also offers a free gift to the first five listeners who email her at the link below and they MUST mention the podcast name!
RESOURCES:
Thanks to Prabajithk's "Together" 119002 from Pixabay for the music bed for this episode.
Melanie's Website
For the FREE GIFT: Email Melanie at the website and tell her you heard her on Evolving Humans. The first FIVE people who do so will have an opportunity to access one of her five online workshop offerings.
Thank you for listening to Evolving Humans!
For consultations or classes, please visit my website: www.JuliaMarie.us
This transcript was generated by ai, and therefore may contain errors.
Julia Marie (00:00):
To all you awakening souls out there. My story is now a book Signals from my Soul, A spiritual memoir of Awakening is available on Amazon. Please click on the link in the show notes and grab a copy for yourself. Now, welcome back to Evolving Humans. As promised part two of my conversation with Melanie Tr, we talk intuition, truth, the power of vulnerability, and so much more. And now the rest of our conversation. Welcome to Evolving Humans, the podcast for awakening souls. I'm your host, Julia
Marie. Settle in and get ready for another spirited conversation.
Melanie Trupp (01:04):
This is the belief of the world and this is the way it works and all of that stuff, of course. And then we keep adding to it and then we seek out, I've got this little saying, our intuition is only as good as our belief system. And some people will say, well, my intuition, it's always the truth. No, it's not. So little example is two people walking along the street, one person believe money falls on tree. The other one believes, well, it's really hard to come by and you got to work hard. There's a $20 bill in the ditch who
will intuitively look towards the ditch and who will intuitively look away because the one who believes that money falls off the trees will intuitively look and it will compound that belief system and it'll do that. The other one, see, it doesn't fall on because they intuitively look that way.
(01:55):
So to start living intuitively from an honest, authentic place, we have to let go of our hypnosis. We have to let go of all those beliefs because we are constantly looking to shore those beliefs up. And that's what the ego does it constantly is looking for. And when beliefs get shattered, it's traumatizing for a lot of people. I know for me, just my whole life felt at the times it was falling apart. Everything I believed in, it
was just like, who am I? Where am I? It was horrible places to be in and that's also very scary. And so this whole journey of coming back to the ocean, I mean, it's a death of self. I mean, you don't know where you lose who you think you are. You can't just hold on. I think I'm this and hold on to something over here. It's like there's nothing over here. You got to let go. And that's not necessarily easy.
Julia Marie (02:57):
Well, it's what we're being called to do at this time, I believe on the planet being called to let go.
Melanie Trupp (03:04):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean all I can do is say it's I know what you're going through. Been there, done it myself. I know the truth. I know what I know as the truth. And it'll either resonate, it'll wake up. Yeah.
Julia Marie (03:21):
Where could I start? We talked a little bit about the no and the yes. It almost feels to me like there's an undercurrent here of the more I'm able to practice being aware, self-aware, the more I can maybe move some of this energy or change these patterns.
Melanie Trupp (03:41):
It's a real paradoxical thing because when you have somebody who's unaware, and I'm not trying to be the naysayer, but someone who's unaware, who thinks, well now I'm going to be aware, they're not really aware and they're actually solidifying some of their belief systems and their ego in a thing. So sometimes doing this on your own, and I don't think that's always the best thing because sometimes we can't see what someone can see for us.
Julia Marie (04:19):
Well, that was exactly my point.
Melanie Trupp (04:21):
Yeah.
Julia Marie (04:22):
If I want to do this, I need to probably accept that I can't do it on my own. That I need someone who is outside of my little mini matrix that can help identify for me dispassionately and without attachment, but with great compassion to help me help myself.
Melanie Trupp (04:43):
And there's an old saying, when the student is ready, the teacher appears.
Julia Marie (04:47):
Exactly.
Melanie Trupp (04:48):
And I think that asking for help and guidance, I don't believe that it is, that you can't do it on your own. It's just that why would you? And I think that's sort of that, and I kind of believe that you can't really trust yourself when you're in it. So why would you, if this is really what you want, then it is about opening the door. And that may be a big step there is allowing someone to come in and as being a practicing and a hypnotherapist. Many of my clients we're absolutely terrified to be around me in the beginning. They weren't terrified of me. They were terrified of what was in them and that I could see.
And that's such a huge step. And it's just like it's so illusionary. There's nothing inside of anyone that is so horrible. There really is not. It so is not. But that step is such a big
Julia Marie (05:52):
Step. That means I have to be vulnerable.
Melanie Trupp (05:56):
Yes.
Julia Marie (05:57):
And that in my opinion, well, you actually said it somewhere on your website about how vulnerability is important to Oh, it's
Melanie Trupp (06:06):
Powerful.
Julia Marie (06:07):
If we desire to have true intimacy, we got to be vulnerable.
Melanie Trupp (06:11):Yeah, absolutely. And vulnerability is so powerful. It is really the kind of, I look at it when we have all this shield up, we are Ben denying how powerful we are. We're saying, nobody can get near me. I'm so weak. So this, and that's hypnosis. You're manifesting it all the time. I got to put these shields. I got to
protect myself. I've got to do all this. And I'm trying to say, no, no, no. That's a big hypnosis. That's such an illusion. You are so powerful. Take all that stuff up and come on out and live in this world. And when you are that open and that vulnerable, you are almost transparent. You are transparent. Nothing can hit up against you. Just imagine that when you're living in the world with nothing that can hit up against
you. How free are you? You are so free to just walk amongst the masses.
(07:13):
My instructor used to say, you could walk through the mud and never have it stick. And you are so free. It is so free. I know it's a huge step and I know it's scary, but if I can say to anyone out there listening, it's an illusion. It's a mass hypnosis. This whole concept of vulnerability is a mass hypnosis. It's an illusion. If I could swear, I'd say it be. It's not true. So it is. And that sort of goes into another thing is we get so afraid to feel our emotions, the triggers, and don't do this. I don't want to feel this and I don't want to feel this.
I don't want to feel that. I'm scared to feel this. And we navigate our, I don't want to feel lost. I don't want to feel this. I don't want to feel death. I don't want to feel anger.
(08:05):
I don't want to feel this. If you look like if you were walking in a room and you say, I don't want to feel things that are soft. I don't want to feel things that are cold. I don't want to feel things that are hard. I don't want to feel this. How limited are you in that room? When we do that with our own emotional experiences, I don't want, and we work around, I don't want to feel this and I don't. If we could let go of all that, we could just change our mindset and said, you know what? I want to experience all the
emotions that there are not those emotions. I'm the experience or of it. Do you know how free we are?
We can try new things. We can do this, we can do that. And we're not afraid of feeling things. It's an experience. Don't be afraid of experiencing these emotions. That's part of what we're here. Experience them. It's beautiful. Even grief is beautiful. There's a gift in it. When we say, I'm not afraid to experience it, I'll go right to the depths of it.
Julia Marie (09:14):
So I have a question that brings up a question for me since you mentioned it, because a thought came to my mind to ask you exactly about grief. What if I'm a person who gets stuck in that cycle? What does that say? The life is now transformed and grief becomes my reason for living. My grief is my identity.
Melanie Trupp (09:44):
Well, and I'd say, okay, I kind of look at it as five little buckets. Okay. One bucket is grief, one is joy, one is sadness, one is this. One is that, which bucket are you standing in? You can stand in that bucket. It's not my job to say you can't have it, but there's no such thing here as a victim. It's a willing participant. So then I would look at it with my work. I'd say, what is your attachment? What are you more afraid of?
Because if you are stuck in grief, then there's something that you're more afraid of.
(10:22):
Okay, like we've got these buckets here. You can go step over in this bucket. What are you afraid of? So there's no such thing as a victim here. It's a willing participant. And that's where you need somebody outside to say, okay, I see it real clear. You're standing in this bucket. You're telling me you're stuck in it. There's a bucket over here. Go over there. I can't. I got this, I got that. And it becomes so true, like the dream, it becomes so true. And I go, well, what are you more afraid of? So I have to take that person really deep through and into open up that door. And it may be, I'm so afraid of it could be for a lot of people is I'm not saying it is for everybody. I'm so afraid of experiencing joy. Why? Because I want to protect myself from feeling grief again, or I don't feel I deserve it.
(11:16):
I have to punish myself. All those things will come up from the unconscious or even conscious. But it is kind of conscious, unconscious. We know the truth, we know it, but we've been afraid to acknowledge it. So we get stuck in our thing. Can't something's wrong. As a therapist, as a counselor, I have learned with everything that I've done in my life, we can spend 20 years talking about this bucket of grief and we can hash it out and we can mull around it and we can do a whole bunch of stuff. But there are shortcuts.
There really are shortcuts. And the only thing that shortcuts us is the liberation from the hypnosis. And that in itself is conscious awareness. I have never met anybody who consciously chooses pain.
Julia Marie (12:13):
Exactly.
Melanie Trupp (12:14):
Okay. So that's what liberates us is conscious awareness. We have to get out of the hypnosis, open up to conscious awareness. And then if you choose, and it's really funny because on my journey, as I became more conscious and awareness, I would get into these little snits or these little things. It got harder to get into them. It got harder because I was too darn conscious of it. And I wanted to just milk it and I wanted to do it. And it became really hard to do it. So as we become conscious, because we recognize
these choices, we see the reality of it all. It really gets hard to stay stuck. Not consciously. It gets really hard. So I don't know where I was going with that. That's
Julia Marie (13:04):
Okay. No, I asked you about people staying there and I wanted to see what you'd say about that because that could free so many people if they understand they don't have to live there.
Melanie Trupp (13:18):
No,
Julia Marie (13:19):
They do. They don't have to live there. And frankly, their loved ones wouldn't want 'em to stay there. So there is that too.
Melanie Trupp (13:27):
Yeah. There is no such thing as a victim. It's a willing participant. And we have to take that. And there's so much power in that. There's so much power in that, Hey, I'm participating in this somewhere inside of me, I'm choosing this. What, why? And how come? And then even that can be short-lived. You can just say, oh, I'm not doing that anymore. Yeah.
Julia Marie (13:54):
I want to ask you one more. I want to cover one more topic before we close down this conversation. I mean, you've been very generous with your time and your wisdom, but I hear a lot about codependent relationships and dependency and interdependent and so would you mind speaking to that broader topic?
Melanie Trupp (14:20):
Yeah. We're going to come up a few levels here to the surface level of relat. Let's in our day-to-day lives and stuff like that. So codependency is what I feel is dependent on how you feel. If I can make you happy, then I can be happy. So that's on the emotional level. We can also do it on our financial level. We can also do it on our physical level is how you are is how I can be. You want to on the couch all day. I can't do that. I can't go out and run and be healthy. So it's like a dependency. What you do affects me.
And that brings in manipulation. That brings in coercion or that brings in just acquisition. Just because you are this way, that's the way I'm going to be. So that's your codependence, that's your dependency and kind of a codependence.
(15:16):
They're almost dependencies. I've given up everything. I'm not even going to try. I'm totally dependent on you for how I act, what I think, how I feel, what I do. I'm completely dependent on you are me. You're going to tell me who I can be and how I can be. I'm totally dependent on you. And interdependency in a relationship is we are both independent because I don't believe in being independent. I think there's an
interdependency is where I am, me, you are you. And within that, there is an element of sometimes dependency. I'm going to depend on you to be honest with me. I'm going to give that to you. But there's an awareness here that I'm not blinded to it and I've given away it. Okay, so it's a choiceful thing or I'm going to be dependent on you to clean up the room or do something like that.
(16:09):
And when you don't do it, there's still that I'm not totally reliant on you to do everything. It's sort of like an inter flowing, it's not an independent. I'm also, your feelings do affect me and I can put boundaries on it, but I'm not dependent on you to feel that. So I can feel this. Okay. So there's that real awareness that goes in there and there's sort of like that flow. And I think that's just a really mature common goal
that we want to have that we have an interdependence. Yes. So a lot of people in relationships, they either are dependent or independent, and the codependent is kind of like, it's a little bit codependent.
It's just like I'm still dependent on so many things for you. I still don't know me. I can't separate myself off, is the way that I look at it.
Julia Marie (17:06):
And for me, codependent is it's almost both sides. There's something over here that I depend on this person for and they depend on me. Could be for something different,
Melanie Trupp (17:19):
But it's without it when you don't have, and that's what interdependence it kind of just separates it off. If I don't get that from you, I'm still okay over here.
Julia Marie (17:28):
Exactly. Whereas if I'm codependent, I'm not
Melanie Trupp (17:32)
Really, or there's a manipulation underlying or coercion that will come on because I still need that from you. So I can't separate or I'm going to get angry at you or I'm going to get frustrated at you instead. It's sort of like that place is, yes, I would want this, I would like this, but I don't need to have this. And when you take that need out for this, and it's kind of hard to say, because I have my partner, there's things I need from him, I want from him and I need from him. But if I didn't get it, I'm still okay in a codependence. It's just like I'm not okay if I don't get that
Julia Marie (18:11):
Exactly.
Melanie Trupp (18:13):
So I can still say, Hey, I need that from you. But he says no. It's like, oh, okay, what can I say? But I'm not like, ah, so there's a difference.
Julia Marie (18:29):
I just thought that would be a good thing to touch on because maybe people don't know what kind of a relationship they're in. So it's kind of helpful for them to be able to maybe take a look at that.
Melanie Trupp (18:41):
Yeah. It's so funny. It is like you taken me way deep down in here.
Julia Marie (18:45):
Well then I wanted to come back up to the,
Melanie Trupp (18:48):
It takes me a while to come back up there. Oh, okay. We're on this level here of these things that we just talked about are so irrelevant. But they are day-to-day lives. They are what we have for sure. And
Julia Marie (19:01):
For those that are at that level, I thought it was a valuable for them to have that.
Melanie Trupp (19:05):
It's very valuable. It is. You're putting me on a roller coaster there for a moment. And it's so funny because, and it's just a weird, trust me, is the way I feel at times is when we went down there, to me there's truth there. So all of that here is, there's truth in the illusion, but it's hard for me sometimes to, and to say that this is the absolute because not the absolute truth. And then yes, there's this that plays out. Exactly. So yeah. So they both have relevance, but stay up here for a while, but try to keep working yourself down to this. Well,
Julia Marie (19:47):
There's a of people that got to start somewhere and maybe absolutely. In identifying that surface level stuff is a good place to start.
Melanie Trupp (19:55):
I think I started not even on the planet, so that's okay. I had to come all the way down into my body to start understanding just some of this stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I just don't like to stay there When I work with someone. I want to work with them where they are. For sure. And let's get this up. And when you're ready. And sometimes just that shift of coming into a deeper consciousness, all of what was a problem up here doesn't exist.
(20:24):
Yeah. Yeah. It isn't. So if the student is ready, the teacher always appears, and sometimes there's jumpers and you just have to say a few words and they just jump right down. Okay, whoa. And all of this stuff here is like, what are you talking about? That's not even an issue anymore. And then there's other ones that I got to spend a lot of time with, and some of them are just okay here. Their lives are working
out really great, and that's where their soul is meant to be. And that's fine, as long as I'm there to be of service and that's what they want, that's okay. I mean, everyone has their own journey. I don't think everybody all at once is just going to come into an enlightenment. I mean, it would be, wow. I don't know what would happen. Maybe it would be crazy. It would be awesome. But I think that we're all in our own time, in our own space, and there's reasons for that. And I don't have the big plans.
Julia Marie (21:16):
Well, me neither. Work on changing your frequency and what you vibrate out into the world. That's how you will change the world together. We will.
Melanie Trupp (21:28):
And that just changes our body. I mean, I even work with people who have health problems, and when we let go of some of that stuff, our body is manifest.
Julia Marie (21:37):
Isn't it miraculous how that
Melanie Trupp (21:39):
Oh, it's so miraculous. It's just amazing. And the energy of you just see the face lights up, the energy. I mean, I'm very in tune to energy and stuff like that. Me too. And you can just feel the lightness of somebody, and it's just like, wow. And what's really neat is you're just drawn to that light. And I think that's all we need to do is become that light. And when we become that light, more darkness comes to the light, and that's how we transform. So it's up to us to lift all those veils of darkness and illusion.
Exactly.
Julia Marie (22:15):
And
Melanie Trupp (22:15):
Just become the light. And that is so valuable, important. And what a great purpose
Julia Marie (22:25):
All of. We just need to be the light we already are.
Melanie Trupp (22:27):
Exactly. And that's where you just lift all that stuff off.
Julia Marie (22:31):
We don't have to become anything. We just need to be who we are, what we are.
Melanie Trupp (22:36):
And that goes back to your question too, is where we hang around the light. It helps us if we hang around in darkness, we'll stay in darkness. Exactly. It is about seeking that out and hanging out and just hanging out. That's
Julia Marie (22:52):
The old sympathetic resonance thing. Yeah.
Melanie Trupp (22:54):
Yeah. Yeah.
Julia Marie (22:57):
A rising tide lifts all boats using your ocean analogy.
Melanie Trupp (23:01):
Yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. Oh, it's been so great.
Julia Marie (23:06):
We are coming to the end of our time. I could keep talking with you personally for quite some time, but I'm going to respect your time. And so before we close, can you tell the people where to find you if something about what you said today has inspired them? How can they find you?
Melanie Trupp (23:25):
Yeah, I have my website and it's Epic, EPIC, transitions.ca, epic standing for empowering personal improvement and change on my website there. I've got a lot of, I primarily, as I say, work with women all about relationships. I also have a private counseling session, which I do now zoom in. There's ability to book appointments with me online. I am so open, I cannot express it up. As much as I love to work with women and do about relationships, I'm very much open to working with people who anything else
resonated with them. Because as I said, I spent 10 years self-inquiry with my yoi practice and spirituality.
And these depths of conversation is just like, you got to start somewhere. So yes.
Julia Marie (24:11):
You also have a free gift.
Melanie Trupp (24:13):
Yes, I do. For
Julia Marie (24:14):
The listener. So please share how they can access that.
Melanie Trupp (24:18):
What I'd like them to do is tell me that they listened to your show. I think that's in all fairness. Okay, perfect. The first five people that will email me, which is melanie@epictransitions.ca, said that you listen to your show and that you want their free gift. I have five, four workshops that you'll see on there.
They're the one week online ones, and they can have one of their choosing. I'm only going to give one of each. So there's four of those. And the other one is a free ebook that I have now, which is just about a relationship audit. So that's five things. I'm only giving one of each away. So the first one will all say this, as many left, which one do you want? The only thing that I'm going to ask in return for that as much as is a free gift is I just like their reviews of the course that they've taken so it can help other people. So just
email me and say that you listened to me on this podcast and go from there. Five. Okay. So the first five, as it goes down, well, there's three left, there's two left, and this is it.
Julia Marie (25:19):
That works for me.
Melanie Trupp (25:21):
Okay. Awesome. So
Julia Marie (25:23):
Before we close out, I want to ask five questions that I ask every guest. Okay. The first question is, three words to describe your spiritual journey.
Melanie Trupp (25:38):
Found enlightening, mind blowing. Can I put that extra word in there? Yes.
Julia Marie (25:46):
We'll hyphenate it.
Melanie Trupp (25:47):
Okay. Thank you.
Julia Marie (25:50):
What is one thing that people who know you would be surprised to learn about you?
Melanie Trupp (25:56):
I dunno. I'm such an open book.
Julia Marie (25:59):
That's fair.
Melanie Trupp (26:01):
Yeah. Thank you. I really don't know. I hold no secrets. In fact, sometimes I've been told I'm too open
Julia Marie (26:09):
Then. That's fair. So question three, what has been your greatest spiritual lesson?
Melanie Trupp (26:17):
I'm not my body. Huge.
Julia Marie (26:21):
What is the most important thing each of us can do to change the world?
Melanie Trupp (26:27):
Heal ourselves. This has been the message right from the beginning since I started talking to you, is clean up our own house before we start cleaning up others, do our work.
Julia Marie (26:38):
And finally, what does being an evolving human mean to you?
Melanie Trupp (26:45):
People who are doing their work, they are becoming more conscious. They're taking accountability and responsibility for their actions, for their triggers, for their emotions, for what they project into the world, how they want to see the world. It's 110% responsible accountability. They are creating their reality.
Julia Marie (27:11):
So do you have any final message for the people that are listening here today?
Melanie Trupp (27:19):
Oh, this one always comes in my mind. It's called Wake Up.
(27:23):
I think that's when always shouts through the back of me is, come on, people, wake up. Stop waiting. Please, please. Yeah. It's It's just Wake up. Wake up. How can you not wake up? Wake up the end to all the suffering, the end to all the chaos. It's just like, sometimes it just blows my mind away. And I know people are trying to wake up in the are, and your listeners are probably those that are already starting to wake up. Otherwise they wouldn't be listening to you. But it's the ones who are not listening, like,
please wake up
Julia Marie (27:58):
Now. They'll be able to share this episode with their still slumbering friends.
Melanie Trupp (28:04):
Yes. See, and the ripple effect exactly. Comes out. Exactly. Yeah. It's been such a joy talking to you. It's just been, like I said, yeah, we could go on for hours.
Julia Marie (28:19):
You've shared your wisdom. I really appreciate it. I'm so grateful for the time you gave us today. And so I'm just going to say that's our time. Your support of evolving humans through your shares is greatly appreciated. If you need some clarity around a situation in your life, please go to Julia marie.us and click the book now button on the homepage. And now a quote for you to contemplate as you go about your
day. The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller